From - Thu Feb 14 16:44:50 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3C6C21C1.48C313E6@urayoan.uprm.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:44:49 -0400 From: Tom Noack X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerson Beauchamp Subject: Re: Informe y =?iso-8859-1?Q?Petici=F3n?= a la =?iso-8859-1?Q?Matr=EDcula?= de la APRUM References: <001801c1b4dc$724342e0$6f3a9188@uprm.edu> <3C6B9F30.7912CA08@urayoan.uprm.edu> <002301c1b563$ed58e3e0$6f3a9188@uprm.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------275B20279DDC2ADA2E7B4BBB" --------------275B20279DDC2ADA2E7B4BBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The retirement algorithm is fairly simple. Retirement is a function of: Years of service - min(years,30) Average of the top 3 years of income or tope (whichever is less) min (average(top 3 years), tope) Whether the person is over 65 and on the 5% plan (called the plan de coordinacion) The function is highly nonlinear - for less than 20 years service it is 1.5 % * years service For 20-29.9999 years it is years service*(1.5 + (years-20)*.05 %) For 30 years it is 2.5 - 75%. For 5% people the deduction is 0.5% * years service. Unless a window is in force, retirement is only possible after 58 (with 25+ years of service) or 65 (with 10+ years). With 10 years, the university's share only is returned, but without interest. However, if an individual pays the system, interest is 8% per year. The window, of course, was the issue of the huelga. Some examples: minimum wage person - retires at 50 - 30 years - $12K per year * 75% - 9K per year for life. Prof - age 65 - 18 years credited service - tope $35K - 7% plan - $9.3 K per year. Engineering - tope upgrade was $14K before interest, yielded $4K per year Prof - age 56 - 30 years - tope 50K- $37.5K per year Engineering MS. - tope upgrade $ 7 K, yielded $11.25K per year Prof - age 57 - 26 years real service - 4 full-salary Ph. D. years also credited - $37.5 K per year Arts and Sciences Ph. D. - tope upgrade was $4K, yielded $11.25 K per year Prof - age 59 - 20 years real university service + 4 years full-salary Ph. D. years + 6 years elementary school service - $23 K /year (retired under $35K tope in 1992) Arts and Sciences Ph. D. - before tope change Prof - age 69 - 26 years university service - 5 % plan - $13.6 K per year. Engineering Ph. D. - before tope change Politician - age 55ish - 25 years basic service - 7 other years - $53K per year This individual had to pay $38K to upgrade from 25 years - $27K to 32 years - $53K This happens to be Edison Misla. The regular government plan has no tope. The technique used to screw engineering was to set the tope at $50K, which is the A&S full prof Ph. D. salary, but to charge back based on the salary earned up to $50K. This resulted in tope upgrade bills for profs in engineering of up to $19K, for all others the max was about $4K, for exactly the same benefit. The technique to screw profs who come in at later ages is the highly nonlinear multiplier and its effect on people who can't stay 30 years. In addition, the engineering school also takes a hit - the 13.7% university share is charged against its budget - or against research projects, even though it is used for no-docentes and some other folks, but not for engineering. When one factors in life expectancy, the payback/payin ratio between faculty and other employees can differ by as much as 10 to 1. I don't want to accuse the retirement board or the University administration (which approves these regulations) of incompetence - I believe they knew what they were doing and that it reflects their valuation of faculty members versus politically selected folks. I have more material developed in the mid-80's when hearings were held on these issues; unfortunately it is not in electronic form, so I will have to send it separately. It should be noted that neither the engineering faculty, nor APRUM, nor the academic senate have ever commented on or supported the faculty in these matters. Gerson Beauchamp wrote: > Tom, To be honest with you, I do not understand the retirement > problem very well. However, I am willing to sit down with you and > Nestor to learn what you know about the problem. >From there, we will > then take whatever action is decided in the Board of Directors of the > Association regarding this issue. In addition to that, you can always > take the issue to our next general assembly that will be held towards > the end of this semester. Please let me know about your availability > to meet with us so that I can make the arrangements with Nestor. Truly > yours, Gerson ********************************************************** > > Dr. Gerson Beauchamp-Báez > Professor > Electrical and Computer Engineering Department > University of Puerto Rico, Mayagüez Campus > P.O. Box 9042 > Mayagüez, PR 00681-9042 Tel. (787) 832-4040 Exts. 3086, 2502 > (787) 265-3821 (ECE Dept.) > Fax. (787) 831-7564 > e-mail: gerson@ece.uprm.edu > ********************************************************* > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Noack > To: Gerson Beauchamp > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: Informe y Petición a la Matrícula de la APRUM > Very briefly, I think APRUM should come out against the > administration's policy of using faculty retirement > contributions for retirement for other employees. As you > know, my retirement is less than half my social security and > less than that of 50-year-old toilet cleaners who get > through the window. At the same time, my charge for > increasing the tope was $14,000, one of the highest in the > University. It should be noted that the policy related to > increasing the tope was designed to discriminate against > engineering, and it succeeded. I am not willing to blame > HEEND for this policy; I believe it is a conscious choice > made by the administration because they could get away with > it. At the same time, neither APRUM nor the engineering > faculty have protested or even published any of the several > analyses made by faculty members. > > Gerson Beauchamp wrote: > > > Estimados/as Compañeros/as de la APRUM El lunes, 11 de > > febrero de 2002 la Junta Directiva tuvo su segunda reunión > > del semestre. La reunión tenía como objetivo distribuir > > una serie de tareas pendientes y delinear el plan de > > trabajo del semestre para alcanzar las metas que nos hemos > > propuesto para este semestre. De los acuerdos de dicha > > reunión se desprenden dos asuntos que es necesario > > compartamos con la matrícula inmediatamente. El primer > > asunto es la consideración de un "borrador de propuesta > > para iniciar un proceso de negociación colectiva de > > docentes en la UPR". Se adjunta un documento que contiene > > dicho borrador. Este borrador fue redactado por nuestra > > compañera Elsa Arroyo como resultado de una asignación que > > le diera la CONAPU (Confederación de Asociaciones de > > Profesores y Profesoras Univesitarias) que a su vez > > respondía a una solicitud del presidente de la UPR para > > que le presentáramos una propuesta concreta sobre lo que > > deseamos negociar colectivamente. El próximo martes, 26 > > de febrero en UPR-Arecibo la CONAPU discutirá la propuesta > > para decidir lo que finalmente se le presentará al > > presidente de la UPR. Una delegación de la APRUM estará > > presente en dicha reunión. Le estamos solicitando a la > > matrícula de la APRUM que nos dé sus opiniones con > > respecto a la propuesta presentada para poder llevar la > > voz de nuestra matrícula a la reunión de la CONAPU en > > Arecibo. Necesitamos que contesten por e-mail o por > > escrito, no más tarde de las 4:30 p.m. del viernes, 22 de > > febrero de 2002 para poder incorporar sus sugerencias a la > > discusión en la reunión de Arecibo. Además, si alguien > > está interesado/a en asistir a la reunión de Arecibo, está > > bienvenido/a. Por favor, comuníqueme su interés para > > coordinar la transportación de ser necesario. El segundo > > asunto que necesitamos compartir es relacionado con la > > consulta para la designación del próximo rector o próxima > > rectora del RUM. La Junta Directiva acordó celebrar una > > Asamblea Extraordinaria el martes, 5 de marzo de 2002 a > > las 5:00 p.m. para fijar la posición oficial de la APRUM > > con respecto al proceso de consulta que se está > > realizando. El lugar se informará próximamente; pero > > esperamos que sea dentro del RUM y se incluirá cena y > > cuido de niños/as. Le solicitamos a todos/as que separen > > la fecha y asistan a la asamblea para que puedan expresar > > su opinión en torno a tan fundamental asunto. La > > convocatoria oficial para la asamblea se circulará > > próximamente. La proxima reunión de la Junta Directiva > > será el lunes, 25 de febrero de 5:30 p.m. a 9:00 p.m. en > > un lugar que se informará próximamente. Como el pasado > > semestre, todo miembro de la APRUM queda invitado/a a > > participar de las reuniones de la Junta Directiva. Les > > agradezco su atención y diligencia con estos asuntos. > > Quedo en espera de sus respuestas. Recuerden opinar sobre > > la propuesta de negociación colectiva. Saludos Gerson > > BeauchampPresidenteJunta Directiva APRUM > > ********************************************************** > > > > Dr. Gerson Beauchamp-Báez > > Professor > > Electrical and Computer Engineering Department > > University of Puerto Rico, Mayagüez Campus > > P.O. Box 9042 > > Mayagüez, PR 00681-9042 Tel. (787) 832-4040 Exts. 3086, > > 2502 > > (787) 265-3821 (ECE Dept.) > > Fax. (787) 831-7564 > > e-mail: gerson@ece.uprm.edu > > ********************************************************* > --------------275B20279DDC2ADA2E7B4BBB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The retirement algorithm is fairly simple.  Retirement is a function of:

       Years of service - min(years,30)
       Average of the top 3 years of income or tope (whichever is less)
                    min (average(top 3 years), tope)
       Whether the person is over 65 and on the 5% plan (called the plan de coordinacion)

The function is highly nonlinear - for less than 20 years service it is 1.5 % * years service
For 20-29.9999 years it is years service*(1.5 + (years-20)*.05 %)
For 30 years it is 2.5 - 75%.

For 5% people the deduction is 0.5% * years service.

Unless a window is in force, retirement is only possible after 58 (with 25+ years of service) or 65 (with 10+ years).  With 10 years, the university's share only is returned, but without interest.  However, if an individual pays the system, interest is 8% per year.  The window, of course, was the issue of the huelga.

Some examples:

minimum wage person - retires at 50 - 30 years - $12K per year * 75% - 9K per year for life.

Prof - age 65 - 18 years credited service - tope $35K - 7% plan - $9.3 K per year.
Engineering - tope upgrade was $14K before interest, yielded $4K per year
Prof - age 56 - 30 years - tope 50K- $37.5K per year
Engineering MS. - tope upgrade $ 7 K, yielded $11.25K per year
Prof - age 57 - 26 years real service - 4 full-salary Ph. D. years also credited - $37.5 K per year
Arts and Sciences Ph. D. - tope upgrade was $4K, yielded $11.25 K per year
Prof - age 59 - 20 years real university service + 4 years full-salary Ph. D. years + 6 years elementary school service - $23 K /year (retired under $35K tope in 1992)
Arts and Sciences  Ph. D. - before tope change
Prof - age 69 - 26 years university service - 5 % plan - $13.6 K per year.
Engineering Ph. D. - before tope change
Politician - age 55ish - 25 years basic service - 7 other years - $53K per year
This individual had to pay $38K to upgrade from 25 years - $27K to 32 years - $53K
This happens to be Edison Misla.  The regular government plan has no tope.

The technique used to screw engineering was to set the tope at $50K, which is the A&S full prof Ph. D. salary, but to charge back based on the salary earned up to $50K.  This resulted in tope upgrade bills for profs in engineering of up to $19K, for all others the max was about $4K, for exactly the same benefit.

The technique to screw profs who come in at later ages is the highly nonlinear multiplier and its effect on people who can't stay 30 years.

In addition, the engineering school also takes a hit - the 13.7% university share is charged against its budget - or against research projects, even though it is used for no-docentes and some other folks, but not for engineering.

When one factors in life expectancy, the payback/payin ratio between faculty and other employees can differ by as much as 10 to 1.

I don't want to accuse the retirement board or the University administration (which approves these regulations) of incompetence - I believe they knew what they were doing and that it reflects their valuation of faculty members versus politically selected folks.

I have more material developed in the mid-80's when hearings were held on these issues;
unfortunately it is not in electronic form, so I will have to send it separately.

It should be noted that neither the engineering faculty, nor APRUM, nor the academic senate have ever commented on or supported the faculty in these matters.

Gerson Beauchamp wrote:

 Tom, To be honest with you, I do not understand the retirement problem very well.  However, I am willing to sit down with you and Nestor to learn what you know about the problem.  >From there, we will then take whatever action is decided in the Board of Directors of the Association regarding this issue.  In addition to that, you can always take the issue to our next general assembly that will be held towards the end of this semester. Please let me know about your availability to meet with us so that I can make the arrangements with Nestor. Truly yours, Gerson **********************************************************
Dr. Gerson Beauchamp-Báez
Professor
Electrical and Computer Engineering Department
University of Puerto Rico, Mayagüez Campus
P.O. Box 9042
Mayagüez, PR 00681-9042 Tel.  (787) 832-4040 Exts.  3086, 2502
        (787) 265-3821 (ECE Dept.)
Fax. (787) 831-7564
e-mail: gerson@ece.uprm.edu
*********************************************************
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Noack
To: Gerson Beauchamp
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: Informe y Petición a la Matrícula de la APRUM
 Very briefly, I think APRUM should come out against the administration's policy of using faculty retirement contributions for retirement for other employees.  As you know, my retirement is less than half my social security and less than that of 50-year-old toilet cleaners who get through the window.  At the same time, my charge for increasing the tope was $14,000, one of the highest in the University.  It should be noted that the policy related to increasing the tope was designed to discriminate against engineering, and it succeeded.  I am not willing to blame HEEND for this policy; I believe it is a conscious choice made by the administration because they could get away with it.  At the same time, neither APRUM nor the engineering faculty have protested or even published any of the several analyses made by faculty members.

Gerson Beauchamp wrote:

Estimados/as Compañeros/as de la APRUM El lunes, 11 de febrero de 2002 la Junta Directiva tuvo su segunda reunión del semestre.  La reunión tenía como objetivo distribuir una serie de tareas pendientes y delinear el plan de trabajo del semestre para alcanzar las metas que nos hemos propuesto para este semestre. De los acuerdos de dicha reunión se desprenden dos asuntos que es necesario compartamos con la matrícula inmediatamente. El primer asunto es la consideración de un "borrador de propuesta para iniciar un proceso de negociación colectiva de docentes en la UPR".  Se adjunta un documento que contiene dicho borrador.  Este borrador fue redactado por nuestra compañera Elsa Arroyo como resultado de una asignación que le diera la CONAPU (Confederación de Asociaciones de Profesores y Profesoras Univesitarias) que a su vez respondía a una solicitud del presidente de la UPR para que le presentáramos una propuesta concreta sobre lo que deseamos negociar colectivamente.  El próximo martes, 26 de febrero en UPR-Arecibo la CONAPU discutirá la propuesta para decidir lo que finalmente se le presentará al presidente de la UPR.  Una delegación de la APRUM estará presente en dicha reunión.  Le estamos solicitando a la matrícula de la APRUM que nos dé sus opiniones con respecto a la propuesta presentada para poder llevar la voz de nuestra matrícula a la reunión de la CONAPU en Arecibo.  Necesitamos que contesten por e-mail o por escrito, no más tarde de las 4:30 p.m. del viernes, 22 de febrero de 2002 para poder incorporar sus sugerencias a la discusión en la reunión de Arecibo.  Además, si alguien está interesado/a en asistir a la reunión de Arecibo, está bienvenido/a.  Por favor, comuníqueme su interés para coordinar la transportación de ser necesario. El segundo asunto que necesitamos compartir es relacionado con la consulta para la designación del próximo rector o próxima rectora del RUM.  La Junta Directiva acordó celebrar una Asamblea Extraordinaria el martes, 5 de marzo de 2002 a las 5:00 p.m. para fijar la posición oficial de la APRUM con respecto al proceso de consulta que se está realizando.  El lugar se informará próximamente; pero esperamos que sea dentro del RUM y se incluirá cena y cuido de niños/as. Le solicitamos a todos/as que separen la fecha y asistan a la asamblea para que puedan expresar su opinión en torno a tan fundamental asunto.  La convocatoria oficial para la asamblea se circulará próximamente. La proxima reunión de la Junta Directiva será el lunes, 25 de febrero de 5:30 p.m. a 9:00 p.m. en un lugar que se informará próximamente.  Como el pasado semestre, todo miembro de la APRUM queda invitado/a a participar de las reuniones de la Junta Directiva. Les agradezco su atención y diligencia con estos asuntos.  Quedo en espera de sus respuestas.  Recuerden opinar sobre la propuesta de negociación colectiva. Saludos Gerson BeauchampPresidenteJunta Directiva APRUM  **********************************************************
Dr. Gerson Beauchamp-Báez
Professor
Electrical and Computer Engineering Department
University of Puerto Rico, Mayagüez Campus
P.O. Box 9042
Mayagüez, PR 00681-9042 Tel.  (787) 832-4040 Exts.  3086, 2502
        (787) 265-3821 (ECE Dept.)
Fax. (787) 831-7564
e-mail: gerson@ece.uprm.edu
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